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poet1958

I know you say it does but it doesnt.

 

i know this for a fact because every time the server incorrectly identifies a movie I add the year and imdb to the meta data and click identify and mb3 still goes back to the wrong data

 

it does this every time

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make sure you have the settings right in the web client.

metadata is fetched from omdb or themoviedb.

make sure also you delete the "wrong" imdb id tag....

sometimes they do get stuck best thing you can do then is move the movie to a folder not scanned by the server and delete it from metadata manager. then reinsert it

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filling in the imdb id will work just fine, but you also have to make sure to clear out other incorrect id's. or just use the identify feature.

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Just using an IMDb ID on something which is not in any other database does not work at all. As Deathsquirrel says, I thought MB3 didn't use IMDb. Luke, are you saying it does?

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Good day,

 

The IMDB ID is to correct id of the title, not to pull the info from that site, well that what I used to know about it, unless Luke change something.

 

My best

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Maleficarum

Good day,

 

The IMDB ID is to correct id of the title, not to pull the info from that site, well that what I used to know about it, unless Luke change something.

 

My best

As Abo says the IMDB ID is used purely to identify the movie. IMDB considers it's library of info a commodity and charges highly for any proper access to it. In most cases just using it to identify a feature and then grabbing the info from another source is fine but will of course fail in some cases to get all or any data as to my knowledge the other sources are open databases and therefore reliant on people to contribute to them so mileage will vary.

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poet1958

 i have removed all  metadata for the  movie happily ever after (1978) www.imdb.com/title/tt0077656/ and still it defaults to the disney movie.  the identify feature does not work....

 

I understand that imdb may indeed be cost prohibitive, thats fine. but why include it when you already know the feature wont work if it is not supported due to cost?

 

luke thats why i posted, you are either mistakenly unaware or you are deliberately misleading us

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it works just fine, but it depends on data from other sources, such as theMoviedb.org.

 

I just did a search on Tmdb and they have no movie linked to an Imdb  movie with tt0077656. So that is why that is happening. Since the lookup by imdb id returns nothing, it then moves onto searching by name.

 

Maybe you could contribute to Tmdb by adding it? 

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Angelblue05

I was curious and searched for the movie. Could the fact that it's under the category TV Movie on imdb also cause confusion?

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no, it's because the movie is either not on Tmdb or it is on Tmdb but does not have an associated Imdb id.

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poet1958

i just added it to the tmdb

 

 for the future you need to specify imdb does not wodk for the identify feature because it does not period

 

when the feature relies totally on whether the TMDB recognizes it

 

until the movie was added to TMDB, mediabrowser 3 kept finding the wrong movies Luke

 

So you are most definitely advising wrong

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Koleckai Silvestri

The developers here can't guarantee that every movie, television show, song, album, episode will actually have accessible Metadata.

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like i said, it does work for the vast majority of movies. If you try the same thing with say, Iron Man for example, it will work great on the first try. there is always going to be some problem titles though.

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poet1958

like i said, it does work for the vast majority of movies. If you try the same thing with say, Iron Man for example, it will work great on the first try. there is always going to be some problem titles though.

it ABSOLUTELY does not...... Luke why do you persist in  LYING to members? any movie that is on IMDB but not on The movie data base Will not be found... I just tried it on 3 other movies that were not on TMDB and The Identify feature did not work, YET AS SOON AS I ADDED THEM TO TMDB, media browser found them

 

So why do you insist something that you know is a lie?    media browser 3 will never identify a movie based solely on IMDB because it isnt a subscriber period,  if a movie isnt on TMDB  the identity feature will not work. obviously media browser is coded to search The free TMDB AND NOT IMDB. which is fine, but please dont lie about it

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i already acknowledged that if it is not on Tmdb it won't be found, but generally, those are obscure titles. you're suggesting taking away the imdb lookup when it works for 99% of titles, sorry we're not going to do that.

 

also remember, this is free software that we all contribute to in our spare time. it's impossible to make everyone happy, but we are trying our best to make as many people happy as we can.

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it ABSOLUTELY does not...... Luke why do you persist in  LYING to members? any movie that is on IMDB but not on The movie data base Will not be found... I just tried it on 3 other movies that were not on TMDB and The Identify feature did not work, YET AS SOON AS I ADDED THEM TO TMDB, media browser found them

 

So why do you insist something that you know is a lie?    media browser 3 will never identify a movie based solely on IMDB because it isnt a subscriber period,  if a movie isnt on TMDB  the identity feature will not work. obviously media browser is coded to search The free TMDB AND NOT IMDB. which is fine, but please dont lie about it

 

I don't think you quite understand what they are referring to with the term "imdb lookup"

 

As has been stated it's for identification, and it's been acknowledged that if the corresponding title doesn't appear on tmdb the metadata won't be pulled

 

Out of my 1766 movie library, all 1766 are found this way. He said the vast majority, but for me it's 100% and I'd also conclude it works for a vast majority of mainstream english titles

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it ABSOLUTELY does not...... Luke why do you persist in  LYING to members? any movie that is on IMDB but not on The movie data base Will not be found... I just tried it on 3 other movies that were not on TMDB and The Identify feature did not work, YET AS SOON AS I ADDED THEM TO TMDB, media browser found them

 

So why do you insist something that you know is a lie?    media browser 3 will never identify a movie based solely on IMDB because it isnt a subscriber period,  if a movie isnt on TMDB  the identity feature will not work. obviously media browser is coded to search The free TMDB AND NOT IMDB. which is fine, but please dont lie about it

 

You even solved your own problem - add them to TMDb and you're set. 

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poet1958

You even solved your own problem - add them to TMDb and you're set. 

I know, but that means that IMDb isnt used. Luke keeps lying and says it does for all but obscure movies, but the fact is that if a movie isnt on Tmdb, even if its not obscure media browser wont find it. I just dont like being deliberatdly lied to.  for weeks I couldnt figure out why certain movies just wouldnt come up with the right data Even though I personally entered the Imdb data in each movie one by one. If the information had been disclosed that the IMDb was useless I would have solved the issue long ago.

 

luke is still lying even now trying to say that taking away IMDb would affect the program when it doesnt even use it. if its not on TMDb it will never be found, whether or not its on IMDb.... he knows he's lying and he still does it

he says :" you're suggesting taking away the imdb lookup when it works for 99% of titles, sorry we're not going to do that."

 

 

That is a lie, it works for 0% of the titles..the IMDb is not used at all, only the TMDb is. period.  Ive lost all respect for him because he lies. how hard is it to admit the truth? I just dont like being deliberatdly lied to. and thats all luke does

 

as a test I added 25 movies that are on the IMDb. none were on The TMDb.....none were recognized by media browser. Luke keeps saying 99% work.... why couldnt media browser correctly Identify even a single one?

 

Why.... because contrary to Lukes assertion Medis browser does not use the Imdb to identify movies. it only uses TMDb

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We never said we use Imdb. If you look in the metadata services tab, you can enable Tmdb, Open Movie Database, and others. Nowhere does it say we use Imdb. We offer lookup by Imdb Id using Tmdb's api.

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I know, but that means that IMDb isnt used. Luke keeps lying and says it does for all but obscure movies, but the fact is that if a movie isnt on Tmdb, even if its not obscure media browser wont find it. I just dont like being deliberatdly lied to.  for weeks I couldnt figure out why certain movies just wouldnt come up with the right data Even though I personally entered the Imdb data in each movie one by one. If the information had been disclosed that the IMDb was useless I would have solved the issue long ago.

 

luke is still lying even now trying to say that taking away IMDb would affect the program when it doesnt even use it. if its not on TMDb it will never be found, whether or not its on IMDb.... he knows he's lying and he still does it

he says :" you're suggesting taking away the imdb lookup when it works for 99% of titles, sorry we're not going to do that."

 

 

That is a lie, it works for 0% of the titles..the IMDb is not used at all, only the TMDb is. period.  Ive lost all respect for him because he lies. how hard is it to admit the truth? I just dont like being deliberatdly lied to. and thats all luke does

 

as a test I added 25 movies that are on the IMDb. none were on The TMDb.....none were recognized by media browser. Luke keeps saying 99% work.... why couldnt media browser correctly Identify even a single one?

 

Why.... because contrary to Lukes assertion Medis browser does not use the Imdb to identify movies. it only uses TMDb

 

Mediabrowser doesn't use IMDB, where have you seen that says it does? The metadata afaik uses IMDBid's from TMDB, but doesn't get any info from IMDB.com at all, nor has it been said it does anywhere that I know of.

 

Personally, I think you owe Luke an apology. And if the movies you are complaining about are not on the source providers (TMDB), then do the community a favour and add the info yourself rather than incorrectly complaining about a free service.

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I know, but that means that IMDb isnt used. Luke keeps lying and says it does for all but obscure movies, but the fact is that if a movie isnt on Tmdb, even if its not obscure media browser wont find it. I just dont like being deliberatdly lied to.  for weeks I couldnt figure out why certain movies just wouldnt come up with the right data Even though I personally entered the Imdb data in each movie one by one. If the information had been disclosed that the IMDb was useless I would have solved the issue long ago.

 

luke is still lying even now trying to say that taking away IMDb would affect the program when it doesnt even use it. if its not on TMDb it will never be found, whether or not its on IMDb.... he knows he's lying and he still does it

he says :" you're suggesting taking away the imdb lookup when it works for 99% of titles, sorry we're not going to do that."

 

 

That is a lie, it works for 0% of the titles..the IMDb is not used at all, only the TMDb is. period.  Ive lost all respect for him because he lies. how hard is it to admit the truth? I just dont like being deliberatdly lied to. and thats all luke does

 

as a test I added 25 movies that are on the IMDb. none were on The TMDb.....none were recognized by media browser. Luke keeps saying 99% work.... why couldnt media browser correctly Identify even a single one?

 

Why.... because contrary to Lukes assertion Medis browser does not use the Imdb to identify movies. it only uses TMDb

 

There are two completely different conversations happening here.  Bluntly, yours is rude.  You owe Luke an apology.

 

As people have said throughout this tread, IMDB data IS NOT USED.  The IMDB ID may be used to try to find a movie on one of the metadata sources that the product does support, but the IMDB metadata database is expensive and the product does not use it.

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Maleficarum

I know, but that means that IMDb isnt used. Luke keeps lying and says it does for all but obscure movies, but the fact is that if a movie isnt on Tmdb, even if its not obscure media browser wont find it. I just dont like being deliberatdly lied to.

Does anyone like being deliberatley lied to ? Regardless of that neither Luke or anyone else other than yourself has said that IMDB is used as a source. You are correct in saying that if a movie isn't on one of the sources MB uses then it won't find it.. How could it? Again the point you're failing to either see or accept is that IMDB is not a source for MB only a point of reference. It's like looking on google maps using a post/zip code, it helps but it's not a guaranteed hit.

 

luke is still lying even now trying to say that taking away IMDb would affect the program when it doesnt even use it.

It would in as much as it would prevent people being able to identify a movie and then have it looked up on one of the meta sources without the aid of a moviedb ID.

 

as a test I added 25 movies that are on the IMDb. none were on The TMDb.....none were recognized by media browser. Luke keeps saying 99% work.... why couldnt media browser correctly Identify even a single one?

You've just answered your own question. If a movie does not exist on TMDB how can mediabrowser get anything from it. A valid IMDB id would return a null response and so no data.

 

Why.... because contrary to Lukes assertion Medis browser does not use the Imdb to identify movies. it only uses TMDb

Again, there's a difference between identifying something and finding information about it. IMDB gives mediabrowser the name and ID of a film, identifying it, this is then fed into TMDB which gives the info we want.

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Koleckai Silvestri

as a test I added 25 movies that are on the IMDb. none were on The TMDb.....none were recognized by media browser. Luke keeps saying 99% work.... why couldnt media browser correctly Identify even a single one?

 

For most people the current system works 99% of the time. 25 movies isn't even 0.25% of my library and yet MediaBrowser has properly identified all of my movies for me. However IMDB has 1.75 Million Entries for television series and movies. TMDB only has 275,000 entries. The big difference here is that TMDB is community driven and relies on that community to create the entries. Since it is community driven, TMDB will have the more mainstream and well known works. That is what most people collect. Those with more eclectic tastes might not find the selection covers their needs.

 

I can understand when your 25 movies didn't identify and how frustrating that is. However IMDB is very expensive to get data out of. One project I worked on used the data and it cost $50,000 for a single dump. No updates, no access to the IMDB API or anything else that would help in this situation. Price has probably gone up now. That price is why MediaBrowser doesn't use it. Other projects that are less scrupulous do use it though. You might seek one of them out to retrieve metadata for your more eclectic tastes. MediaBrowser has to work with the limitations applied by external forces. 

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